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The Journey Out Podcast is a podcast designed to be the helping hand for everyday people who are on their Exodus Journey!
You were designed for a purpose and many times, just like Moses, we need a burning bush or sign from God that it is time to leave, or journey out, from what we are used to, to be propelled to where we are called to be.
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The Journey Out
Conversation w| Amatullah Shabazz: Empowering Future Generations Through Financial Literacy and Young Entrepreneurship
Amatullah Shabazz, the visionary force behind Wealth Climbers, joins us on Journey Out to share her transformative mission of empowering youth through financial literacy and entrepreneurship. Discover how Amatullah's personal experiences shaped her journey from focusing on adults to passionately investing in the education of young minds. Through the innovative approach of gamified learning, she's breaking barriers and paving the way for future generations to thrive financially and creatively. We'll explore how these foundational skills can shape the future of the United States, one empowered youth at a time.
We dive into the vibrant world of young entrepreneurship, where creativity meets real-world application. From guiding budding authors to publish their work on platforms like Amazon to nurturing young business minds selling croc charms, we celebrate success stories that ignite entrepreneurial spirits. The episode emphasizes the crucial role of parents in unleashing their children's potential and hints at exciting new programs poised to launch in 2025. As we focus on the DFW area unique technological landscape, join us in envisioning a future where financial literacy and entrepreneurial skills lead to generational change.
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Speaker 2:Hello everybody and welcome back to the Journey Out podcast. We are so excited to have you guys back today, and today we're talking about something a little fun. Today, actually, we're talking about the youth.
Speaker 1:Fun, but important, important.
Speaker 2:Very fun and important. So just to kind of open us up, how important do you think the youth is to just growing our generation and growing pretty much the foundation of who we are in the United States of America?
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's very important. Like you say, it's generation Right, education, empowerment. The youth need that right. Right and knowing who they are, where they come from and who they can be. And where they can go. I think this is very important agree.
Speaker 2:So that's why today is super important, because we wanted to just hop into the start of our youth, taking us to the next level right. And we have a very important guest here today her name is. Mat. She is the founder and owner of Wealth Climbers, and so we're so excited to have you with us today.
Speaker 1:All right, all right, all right.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you so much for being here. I think, first and foremost, please just start us off on your journey. Who you are, how Wealth Climbers came to be.
Speaker 3:Okay, absolutely Well first. Thank you so much for the opportunity to allow me to come on here.
Speaker 3:Absolutely Well, first, thank you so much for the opportunity to allow me to come on here, and y'all are absolutely right the youth are the foundation is so important and that's one of the key things that started me, Right? So you introduced me, but I'm Amatula Shabazz. Yeah, I am the founder and the the mind behind Wealth Climbers and Wealth Climbers the mind behind Wealth Climbers and Wealth Climbers. We are a youth organization that focuses on teaching financial literacy, entrepreneurship and technology through gamified learning.
Speaker 3:So what we do that's different from others is that everything that we do is games.
Speaker 1:It's all through gamified learning.
Speaker 3:So what we decided was in order for us to start to reach the children where they at play a game. They know how to game. Learning has always been fun for me when I made it like a game or something like that, so I just created the next step. I had some different things happen in my life, like when Wealth Climbers Now is about two years old. We started in 2022.
Speaker 3:And during that time, my youngest son, his father, had just transitioned and they also had experience Like we were staying in Addison, my boys, and somebody tried to kidnap my boys.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 3:So with these things like back to back to back, so it was like, man, what can I do that will provide some type of you know just structure for the youth? Like something that's protecting them, like they need advocates. That's how I felt, because I felt violated.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:With my, you know, with that experience in it, and it was in the middle of the daytime, you know, with my boys, with my boys and it made me just feel like I needed to be more empowered to be protector of not just my youth but youth in general. Thank god, I was able to, like I, homeschool my children so yeah, okay let me say that as my foundation, because education is everything. Okay, I say it's always a teacher, right yeah in our household. They know Like okay mom.
Speaker 1:Right, I understand.
Speaker 3:They feel like I weigh them down, but it's for a purpose, because if I had not been able to instill in them and teach them different strategies and how to protect themselves, they wouldn't even be here right now. So with that I wanted to be able to provide that to other youth. Like man, it's at home, it's right here. Like man, it's at home, it's right here. Like when you get something that close, it's serious.
Speaker 1:In your community Exactly.
Speaker 3:It's serious, not just as someone I know experienced, but I experienced it. So from there came Wealth Climbers. I had a financial firm. I was working in the financial industry.
Speaker 3:I was like what can I create that will allow me to connect with them and build up the youth? I started targeting the youth. I closed down my firm. I just completely focused on wealth climbing. I started everything over from scratch. Wow. And from there came wealth climbers and just off the gate, I think, with the passion and also the drive and just fully being committed to creating something that's just going to be for the future, like we spoke. Y'all spoke about generations, right?
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:You want it for the generations to come, because when you have a proper foundation, it helps you for generations to come.
Speaker 1:Right right. So tell me this In building Wealth Climbers, right? What were some of the challenges that you face in doing that?
Speaker 3:So one of the main challenges is that you don't see financial literacy as being the forefront in our community.
Speaker 3:first, so, and also switching my my focus from adults to the youth, you see where the value is that you and I. It made me, made me, understand why they pay teachers so little. The value of a teacher isn't as high as it should be, but that's completely wrong. We're talking about those who are creating a foundation for these children, right? So one of the challenges is people seeing the value in it. They always say, oh my God, I wish I learned that, I want to learn it too, but then you understand that they didn't go through the steps of learning. So, though they see value, that it should be taught and it should be learned, they're still not putting their financial resources to make sure they're successful for their children.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:So you still see that it's a mental block in there somewhere. Oh, you don't want to pay for a financial class, but you want to say that you appreciate, you know having, you see the value of it. So then we had that. That's a challenge, so it oftentimes was mindset that I saw was one of the major challenges.
Speaker 3:Though People can readily admit this is something that we need Right, but when it came to them paying for their children something, that we need right but when it came to them paying for their children to get in the class, right, yeah, they didn't see the value you know always in them paying right, right, right. So it made me have to get creative with how we did our classes. So, uh, it made me seek out sponsorships, it made me seek out corporate help and that's how I kind of got in that space, and one of my very first sponsors when we got started was AT&T and Jewish Family Services.
Speaker 3:So, they were my first two sponsors and with that I was able to use the Connected Learning Center in Addison and that was just like my hub for the first year of Web Climbers.
Speaker 2:OK, so break that down for me some more, because I really want the audience to really understand like the depth that you go and go to with it with your youth. So break down some of your initiatives that you have under Wealth Climbers.
Speaker 3:Absolutely so. What we do is we do workshops, interactive workshop experiences, that's what I call it, because we do a whole game in part. First half is dedicated to financial literacy. We have a game that we create. It's called the adulting game.
Speaker 3:Basically, we give them a career, you get your credit score, you get everything you know, and from then I have different areas that I had a youth and that's where they step in it like so okay, you gotta have someone to live with. Do you want to live in a house, a home? Do you want to rent, you want to own? So that allow us to kind of build out that with them. Yeah, you want a car, you want to drive, you want an uber? Then we're gonna build that out.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 3:I'm saying so those different things are allowed to make their choices on, but that has to be put into their budget. Can you afford this lifestyle?
Speaker 1:so the game is pretty much a lifestyle and the choices that they make in that workshop in the gaming kind of helps help them understand the value of the decision making yes the money and what type of life.
Speaker 3:Okay, I got you and it came down like and that's when wealth climbers became much more than just financial literacy, because, like you said, the decision. Then I get to see, well, our youth need assistance with decision making skills. So I'm in the life and game. It all came from that like, okay, how much you gonna spend the money on on your food? And they'll be like, oh, hundred dollars. And I'm like nah not understanding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll take the hundred.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean, right, but it's like nah, it's not, it's not going for a whole month. So we had to put different things in perspective. Like, okay, you want to spend $100 on food groceries, but when I ask you what you want to spend on your fashion, your budget, you're like oh, I think I want to go shopping about $500 a week?
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, you know what I'm saying Setting realistic, yeah, exactly, so they can start learning to make better decisions. And then you get to see that these are the same type of decision making rationale that adults have. Like oh, you spent all your money because you want to go do this instead of doing this, and that's what you know the youth watch.
Speaker 3:So when we get to see how much they truly are paying attention to either their parents or whoever is that adult that's in their life, how are they making financial decisions? And yes, they are paying attention, you know, like they are paying attention. So after we do that first half, which is we go through that and we break down everything and I get them back to reality check Right right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. It's a reality check. And then we go to the second half, and the second half is the entrepreneurship side of things. It's the games and it's a game creators call like billion cookie Empire. So basically we start teaching them just basics of entrepreneurship profit, location, marketing, getting familiar with these different type of terms and then how each one of those locations affect how much you make right how much customer flow coming.
Speaker 3:Can you target these people? Yeah, so we have the good thing about our games we can make them as detail or, as you know, kind of blanketed, because we do a range of ages okay okay, I literally could work with youth all the way from 6 to 17 okay, okay and I can go a little bit younger if they, you know, depending on how sharp they are with it, or what we're focusing on versus. You know certain foundational skills.
Speaker 1:They may have in place reading math so let me ask you this question do you think, how do you, how do this prepare the youth? What have you seen with this workshop and the things that you're doing? How do they prepare the youth? I'm glad what are the benefits? What have been the benefits?
Speaker 3:the benefits have been them uh, making better decisions, being able to save money. I've had some of you from my class already. Uh, miss chi, I started a business I'm doing, I know how to do this. So they, they start to look at things differently. Right, they see themselves as the creators and not the consumers, and that's one of our focuses. We want to turn consumers to creators. They're consuming technology, they're consuming all of these different things, but they're not creating enough. Now they're creating. So what I've seen is the creators. I've seen them activate their creative head, their creativity inside, and I love that part.
Speaker 2:And I love that too, because sometimes really what happens is we get used to our day to day and if these things aren't aren't brought to the youth at this, at this time or later in their life they don't get to learn about entrepreneurship or just finance, finance or building and growing like their portfolio, because that's not something that they even thought about, right. But you're also doing it in a way that kind of gets their attention with games, right, because we all know that gaming is super important in today's uh time. I mean we have what they call streamers and all these different things.
Speaker 2:So that's that stuff is important and streamers nowadays are making lucrative money streaming and so being able to manage that at a young age and being able to kind of facilitate that.
Speaker 3:So tell me what your biggest influence was in shaping like that mission, uh, to kind of get them in these everyday situations well, um, I homeschool my children and seeing how they react to, uh, the different, just I tested out on them like that's the best way I could say it, like I see how they react, I see how different information helps them feel more empowered right and and. Then I see how their friends like you know how their friends react to it how they start to feel empowered.
Speaker 3:So I think it's almost like you can see, there's a domino effect they feel strength, they feel strong, they feel empowered, they feel I can do that Right. And we want them to have confidence, because that's the key a confident child. And then now we have not only confident, but they feel, you know, confident in themselves and confident in the information that they learn, so that they can continue to add that and put that in same place, you know position, where they go home and they can talk to their parents. They're like, oh wow, we created a digital product in our class, because that's one of the classes that we did too. We created e-books. My goal was to create them and teach them how to become an author. I figured them having a different title, something they could be proud of something that they can show as an accomplishment for themselves.
Speaker 3:But those are different type of programs. So we've done AI programs with the youth. We've done creating digital products with them, where they created their own coloring book and now they publish authors because their book is on Amazon and teaching them how to monetize. So with everything we do, we also always teach them how you can make this financially lucrative for you.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:Because we do know that with finances you can change your situation and you can change a lot of different things by having access to capital, and these youth like making money.
Speaker 1:It is what it is they like making money?
Speaker 3:Like they know, you can make money streaming they know, you can make money as an influencer, as a creator, a content creator right so now we have to get them direction on how to do it, so they're not just out here doing anything, yeah, to do it. You know what I'm saying. So that's when we come in and we teach them. Well, now you can cultivate a skill, now you can learn how to tap into an audience and teach them terms like that, so that they do know.
Speaker 3:Oh, maybe that's not my target audience right okay, this is my target audience, right love that.
Speaker 1:That's right. So tell me this what makes dfw the right place for this? And also, how do you envision expanding?
Speaker 3:oh, like that expansion okay. So, um, I love dfw. I think dfw is the perfect metroplex for us to do it, because right now we have about 300 wealth climbers in the dfw okay, great, all right being able to do classes from fort worth to addison to Soto. We've done Class Day Pan-African Connection, which is an excellent beacon here in the community, but Dallas got it going on Like if the big hubs know to come here you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:So I feel like we perfectly centered in where we need to be. As far as in technology, yeah, you know. And why not? Why not make Dallas one of the groundbreaking spots so people can understand? Now we're changing the dynamics of technology for the youth. We're changing how they look at different things when it comes to learning, when it comes to gaming, when it comes to having fun Right, it literally can be all in one All in one, right, yes?
Speaker 2:And why do you think gamification was a huge model for you to kind of tap into? Why did you say, okay, I want to start with this.
Speaker 3:Well, I learned through games, okay. So when I thought back on what was some of the things that I learned the best and what are some of the ways that my children absorb information the best and how we have fun doing it Right Games I make a game up, I tell them, all right, whether I made it like slightly competitive or I just made it so that they had a benchmark to reach Right. It always got them riled up like, oh, I can do it, I can do it Right.
Speaker 3:And then, at the same time, when we finish, at the end, you understood the lesson, you gained the information. You can move forward with that. You can teach somebody now. You know, what I'm saying. So if we're teaching the youth and they get it enough, where now they feel like I can go home and teach this to my little brother, I can teach this to my little sister, I feel like that's a mission accomplished. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, what's so important about that is, even with me, um, through generations, financial literacy wasn't a big staple in my family growing up, right? Uh, starting a business or having my own wasn't a big staple in the family. And how you say this can affect generations, right? Uh, as I started learning how to start a business or how to be more financially literate in my household, guess what my children started learning? Right, I don't want to knock the school, public school thing, but at the same time, you get more information from your home.
Speaker 2:Social media. Social media more information uh from your home.
Speaker 1:Social media. Social media, uh, and when you come out of public school, a lot of us just know what they taught, but it's not preparing us for the real world right right you know.
Speaker 1:So it's not telling us about how to own our own, how to buy land, how to invest what everyone else is learning right. So that's that. So that's great that you have this platform and you started this with the vision that God has blessed you with to help our youth in the community, and also their families, right To be more financial literacy and know their worth and what they can be.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly. And so, as an entrepreneur yourself, what advice would you give young people or people aspiring to be entrepreneurs to start their own journey?
Speaker 3:I would say do your research on what it is that you want to create, and create something so that it is opening up doors to help others. That's how I know, once you start creating, it can kind of take on an energy of its own, and a lot of times, as an entrepreneur, that's like when we get to that space we found our sweet spot.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, right?
Speaker 3:And if you just get now and you know it's like man, I know I want to work for myself. I don't want to work, no job, no more I'm over with for that 2025. Right you know, and if that's how you feeling, then I definitely encourage you to go forward with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and go forward with something that you have passion and purpose with yes, that's important, because not everything is for everybody Right, and I feel too, as youth, very impressionable, you see, like Ka Sinet. Now, he's a streamer that I know and I like Ka and what he does is what he does, but it doesn't work for everybody. So you have to find your lane, you have to find what works for you. You have to find, like you said, what you're passionate about, because once there's passion, it just feeds everything else.
Speaker 2:It's not work, you know when you love what you do, and so I mean that's how we met you, because we're out doing the things that we love, that we find passion in doing, and we find like-minded individuals to help grow and build these type of things. And so I love that you said that, because it really does just drive the passion.
Speaker 1:Well, give me a, I guess, testimonial of a student.
Speaker 3:A success story.
Speaker 1:A success story of a student or someone that you have helped in this process that has gone on to do bigger and better things because of your help.
Speaker 3:Okay, absolutely so. My daughter, one of her friends before she had came. She then the concept entrepreneurship it wasn't there was. Just like you know, I can go get some money for my mom and my dad Right, yeah.
Speaker 3:And by the time we finished that summer doing classes and everything, they had started them a little business. They created a logo, they were selling croc charms and they literally was ordering in inventory, inventory. So they had a lot of different little moving pieces. That was a part of the business but, uh, that was like a great success because then you see them make money, uh, money, and her friend, there's about 10 okay, at the time, that's awesome they were 10 and they were.
Speaker 3:they were so excited, you know what I'm saying and they'd be like oh we got a new shipment in, we got some new charms in. So that was something I saw. I saw them feeling empowerment of being able to do something. And they'd come in and they'd be like mom look how much we made.
Speaker 1:Look how much we made today.
Speaker 3:I love that, and now it has grown to oh, what new business can we do?
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying so.
Speaker 3:I've seen the evolution of their conversation and how they look at money also for themselves, so now I can hear them say well, we need to make some more money girl.
Speaker 2:And so this is like completely sidebar. This is like completely sidebar, but kind of talk to me to the extent of how like pivotal it is for the parent to see those little things in their kids so like say, for instance, they're, they're decided, oh, I want to sell chips to the kids at school, whatever that may be. How pivotal it is for the parents to see that and just kind of nurture that so they can become that entrepreneur or kind of find those things that kind of can shape their and look, you know about the kids, I do know look that, from the jump, dad had us.
Speaker 2:What can y'all do to make money? And that was, that was him. So me, my sister, all of us, we, we did that for a little bit. That really wasn't my, my steelo, but my brother he was good at that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he was good at it, he was. He was good at it, he was good. We did that in school too. Like I come from an entrepreneur family, so I can appreciate that, but yeah, I got stories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was the husband of a schoolgirl, right right Something else.
Speaker 3:But okay, you said.
Speaker 2:So how important is the parent for the parent to kind of nurture?
Speaker 3:I think that is key because we're talking about that's like watering. You know what I'm saying? It's like them watering. It's almost in children. They look for confirmation from their parents. So that's just like when they do a painting they bring to you. Look what.
Speaker 2:I drew.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:So it's the same thing. If that parent sees a child showing interest and then the parent starts to water that interest, it sparks another different energy in that child. And I see that every time. So, I love when parents participate. I love to encourage parents to let's continue this conversation at home Talk about it in the car.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:Like turn the music down, y'all just talk about this. Y'all had that conversation in a way that they light up, it intensifies their passion for whatever it is that they look into, pursue, you know.
Speaker 1:So question so how can they, if a family or a parent want to have their young youth participate in this?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What would be the next step to get them to participate?
Speaker 3:Excellent. So 2025, we got some really cool programming that's going to be coming out and we'll be dropping our new schedules. So we have workshops available. Currently we're doing gaming classes. So since the conception of Wealth Climbers, it kind of then changed a little bit, not necessarily in our mission or purpose, but in the direction in which we deliver in the program. So a lot that we're doing now is focused on gaming, literally platforms using Roblox, minecraft, platforms like that and we have classes that we do at 4O Cliff. We're in communication with some other different rec centers, so we're going to have our program available and accessible to students there.
Speaker 3:The beautiful thing about us partnering with rec centers and different recreational facilities throughout Dallas is that those classes can be extended to them with no fee.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying Through membership at those different particular rec centers.
Speaker 3:So like, for example, foro Cliff. Right now, if you go to Foro, a cliff website, you get a membership.
Speaker 1:You can take our classes for free, like it's included within your membership okay, and then you give the classes that the y'all take, right?
Speaker 3:yes, sir, yes we do it there, and we'll also be, uh, jumping back classes up at the at&t connect, the learning centers, some different locations throughout the dfw. So the best way I I would say follow us on social media, go to the website, look for your girl, you know it's Wealth Farmers Life on all platforms and wealthfarmerslifecom is the website we revamped up for the new years to show all of our different scheduling. We also be very, very excited about it. But we are now working with CompTIA and we'll be having cybersecurity classes for middle schoolers.
Speaker 3:So that'll be a certificate class so they literally going to get a CompTIA certificate at the end of completion for cybersecurity. And we want to usher in the youth at a young age. So we're focusing on those middle middle schoolers so that we can start walking them into different tech careers because, again, consumers to create us right.
Speaker 2:So with with what you just said, there, it sounds like you got plans. Where do you see what climbers the next five to ten years?
Speaker 3:well climate the next five to ten years. Wealth climbers the next five to ten years definitely see us in multiple states. In multiple states, we're going to be growing y'all. We're going to be mobile. Also, working on for 2025, my goal that I have, we're going to have a tech bus, so we're going to have a gaming bus and that'll allow us to be mobile within the DFW Metroplex and then from there we're going to just go keep expanding out.
Speaker 3:But I want Wealth Climbers to become a name and synonymous when you think of like a YMCA or you think? Of these organizations that have been around for years and they have roots within community. But what I'm focused on is the underserved, the underprivileged. So they say, you know those communities that lack resources. Well, resources, we've shown it historically as a people Once we get access to the resources, it's a wrap, it's a wrap. Look at gymnastics. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Leave it alone.
Speaker 3:We got it on lock leave it alone?
Speaker 2:yeah, we got it on lock. So, to kind of sum up everything, what impact do you hope to leave behind? With well, climbers and everything that you do, you know personally, what impact do you hope to leave behind?
Speaker 3:my impact that I hope to leave behind is the legacy of opening up doors for financial wealth for families all across the United States, all across the world Like. So we can start having that as a foundation, because with financial literacy, it's about the family. Right, we spoke about family early in our conversation before we got on air.
Speaker 3:But family is key and it's not just the blood family you're talking about literally building a community that's centered around love, that's centered around growth, that's centered around, you know, positivity and having some type of foundational morals code standards that we can stand on. Yeah, so I don't want people to look back on me and look on back on my legacy and say that she opened up doors, she created something in the financial industry that no one had ever seen before, because we tiny and not just it's not just about money, because too often have we seen the narrative change because of money and because of the money changed the people, it changed the mission, it changed the purpose. I'm going to stay true to it because I want to see the impact. I want to see our community. I hear the stories of the elders. They tell us how it was when economics was secondhand nature. That's what I hope my legacy brings.
Speaker 2:And I'm going to say this stick to it, because what you're doing is just amazing. I don't think I've ever heard of an organizational program doing this. And, of course, like you said, reaching those underserved communities is super important and you're giving them life lessons, decision making, financial lessons.
Speaker 1:To build generational wealth and generational income and to give them options because most times they don't have options.
Speaker 2:So I thank you for what you're doing. I thank you for just being a powerhouse, because that's what you are. You're a powerhouse and just continue to keep it up. Please, y'all get in touch with her Wealthclimberslifecom. Right.
Speaker 3:Yes, wealthclimberslifecom.
Speaker 2:Wealthclimberslifecom, put it out there because we need y'all to connect. If you know your kids would be interested in doing something like this, please, please, please, have them check it out, get connected with her, go to some of those recreation centers and try to get into those programs, because it's super important to be able to expand your child's mind frame, to expand what they're getting brought to them each and every day, because this is the time where they're very impressionable and they really need that, that group, that family, to kind of get them to that next level. And this is kind of where it starts. So I thank you so much for being with us today. We're so excited to see all that, what climbers would do, and you guys just tap in and we will check you out, or you check us out next time on the Journey Out podcast.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I hope this information has been a blessing to you and can serve you and your family on your journey out. Thank you all for watching.
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